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Post by GROSS Independency on August 16th 2013, 6:06 pm

This topic is for the discussion of the chief administrator in government, IE the Consuls, President, etc.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 12:17 am

This is the topic we will begin with. Because first topics are pushed downward as new ones are created, we will be moving from the bottom of the list, with this topic, to the top of the list. I will post here when the meeting is to begin tomorrow morning (Saturday, August 17th). Thank you for your time and participation.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 9:10 am

The discussion may now begin.



I will start by introducing my idea for the chief executives. I believe they should be similar to the Consuls, in that there should be three elected officials filling the position of a head executive, and that they should be able to make their own proposals and vote on them among themselves. However, I think there should be  one big difference: proposals the executives agree on amongst themselves must be decided on by the Justices before being passed; then, if the resident nations dislike the decision, a referendum will have authority over the Justice decision.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 9:30 am

GROSS Independency wrote:The discussion may now begin.



I will start by introducing my idea for the chief executives. I believe they should be similar to the Consuls, in that there should be three elected officials filling the position of a head executive, and that they should be able to make their own proposals and vote on them among themselves. However, I think there should be  one big difference: proposals the executives agree on amongst themselves must be decided on by the Justices before being passed; then, if the resident nations dislike the decision, a referendum will have authority over the Justice decision.
I'm not sure if that would be the best idea.
I agree on the threesome idea, but would the proposal idea really work? I think that the Chief Executives voting would not really represent the people, since there is only three of them. The people should be the ones to make up laws, and then vote on them. The Chief Executives could have veto power, and then it could be sent back to the people, and a bi-election could be held.
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Post by Guest on August 17th 2013, 11:00 am

I would say I have to agree partly with Gatito on this one. I do like the idea of the consuls and justices, but I think any nation of the IWU should be given the right to come up with a proposal. From that point, I think (forgive me if I'm straying, but it is necessary) that a regional congress, such as the IWURC should vote on whether or not the proposal should go through. I think the consuls and justices should have some form of final authority on whether is passes or not, but that should not be their main purpose.

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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 11:07 am

If the proposal is voted on by the representatives, then it will not truly be the voice of the people. Having the regional council will also pave the way for possible corruption, so I think that the direct democracy idea would be much more fair.

Getting back to the topic, I also think that there should be an arch chief executive who will have emergency power in the event of something that needs a fast acting responce.
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Post by Guest on August 17th 2013, 11:16 am

That may be true, but having all nations vote on every little proposal we need passed is going to prove to be a challenge. In the past, it's been hard enough to get everyone to vote on even elections. My idea is that a group of representatives be voted into office by the people every few months or so, or as needed. That way, the nations have a say in who they want to represent them, but will not have to be bothered with voting constantly. Also, with all the nations voting, there will be the issue of puppets sneaking in votes.

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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 11:19 am

How about the votes take place on the forums? That way, nobody will have so sift through tons of votes in their inbox.
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Post by Guest on August 17th 2013, 12:56 pm

Because you can't force people to make accounts on the forums. It wouldn't be fair. The forums are just here by option.

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Hand of Bananas

Post by Bolidor on August 17th 2013, 2:28 pm

May I just add that we ought to name the executives "Top Bananas?" And we can refer to the three of them together as a "Hand of Bananas" while we are considering such things.

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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 2:56 pm

Oh, dear. 
Its obvious that it needs to be 'head of lemons'.
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Post by Vizindolf on August 17th 2013, 3:35 pm

I agree with GROSS on this one the most. However I do have one issue. What would the point be of having the Justices do the exact same things the Consuls do? It seems a little redundant to me. Here is my idea: We increase the number of Consuls to 5, or maybe even 7. The Consuls will then do the voting, but the power of each individual Consul is decreased. The Justices, instead of doing essentially the same thing as the Consuls, will then act as they presently do, as a sort of appeals court.
 
I also wish to comment on Gatito's proposal of direct democracy. While in theory it is nice, it rarely actually works. It is very difficult and time consuming to gather everyone to vote on every issue. That is why the United States government, among others, are set up as representative democracies. The people elect officials to represent them, and if they do a poor job, they are thrown out of office.

I believe that the representative style of government is especially important in this game, where everyone in the region is not interested in politics and do not wish to have the RMB clogged with constant talk of elections.
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Post by Guest on August 17th 2013, 3:42 pm

Viz, I like the sound of that idea. I would say we increase the number to 7.

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Post by Qora on August 17th 2013, 4:21 pm

Yes, I second this, and also second the increase of number to 7. Sorry for being late.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 4:59 pm

@Everyone: Just to clear up what I meant with my idea, I didn't mean that residents wouldn't have the right to make proposals. Very much the contrary, as I have written three myself.

The reason I think the executives should be allowed to make proposals among themselves was because they have to have a job which will keep them active enough to function properly. Our last government system featured the authority of the President reaching only to intelligence orders and IWURC proposals. That didn't work well, to put it simply. With the ability to make such laws among themselves, it would keep the executives busy.

I also agree very much with Vizindolf's statements. We cannot make everything a direct democracy; we would never be able to accomplish anything at efficient or even satisfactory speed. There must be a form of representation in government. I think the place of complete democracy should be simply used for elections and to override poor government decisions. In other words, any government position shouldn't have authority over that of referenda. That means if something goes seriously wrong, the people themselves can ensure things don't get out of hand.

Regarding the number of executives, I would suggest 5. 7 would take a while to elect, and it is unlikely that 7 people will be active enough to function. Furthermore, as the head executive position, there must be enough power invested in each person to effectively lead government. 3 works fine, but if everyone believes we should increase the number, I would recommend no higher than 5.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 5:09 pm

To keep things organized and progressing:

To make sure we are developing our idea, I would like to make sure we all agree on a few points.

One, I believe we have all agreed, or at least the majority of us have, that there will be MULTIPLE executives, not a single one.

Second, I also believe the majority of us agree that the executives should have the power to create proposals AMONG THEMSELVES and vote to pass them. Correct me if I am wrong.

Now, third, we need to all vote to decide this. How many head executives should we have? Please just post your preferred number, and we will agree on the most popular one. When we have that decided, we will move on to other parts of this topic.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 5:10 pm

I vote 5.
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Post by Guest on August 17th 2013, 5:30 pm

I vote 7, because this will give many more nations the chance to hold a position, and the votes will be more diverse.

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Post by Qora on August 17th 2013, 5:44 pm

I would vote for 7 for the same reasons of Rachara, as well as it seems to be a very small percentage to our current numbers (about 5%) so it seems to me of appropriate size.
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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 6:01 pm

I vote three, like it is, now. One seems good also, but since nobody likes it, I'm going with three.


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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 6:03 pm

And the people need to have the power to make proposals. That, in my opinion, is a MUST.


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A proper hand

Post by Bolidor on August 17th 2013, 6:06 pm

I vote five to expedite decision making amongst the executives. (And five makes for a conventional Hand of Bananas.)
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 17th 2013, 6:11 pm

I will check what the score is later this evening. So far it is tied between seven and five. In support of five, you must realize the more there are, the more difficult it will be to complete votes and remain effective--and changes occur very quickly with the increase. Also, if we form another regional Congress, we must be sure we have enough reliable nations left to elect into those spots. We can't expect our executive seat to serve as the representative body for EVERYONE. It has its own purposes.
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Post by Gatito on August 17th 2013, 6:11 pm

GROSS Independency wrote:I will check what the score is later this evening. So far it is tied between seven and five. In support of five, you must realize the more there are, the more difficult it will be to complete votes and remain effective--and changes occur very quickly with the increase. Also, if we form another regional Congress, we must be sure we have enough reliable nations left to elect into those spots. We can't expect our executive seat to serve as the representative body for EVERYONE. It has its own purposes.
I still think 3 is the best one.
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Post by Bolidor on August 17th 2013, 6:52 pm

GROSS Independency wrote:I will check what the score is later this evening. So far it is tied between seven and five. In support of five, you must realize the more there are, the more difficult it will be to complete votes and remain effective--and changes occur very quickly with the increase. Also, if we form another regional Congress, we must be sure we have enough reliable nations left to elect into those spots. We can't expect our executive seat to serve as the representative body for EVERYONE. It has its own purposes.
On the other hand, seven is more representative, especially if this board of executives functions more like a village council (which might be a more appropriate structure for a community of nation states on the interweb than a full-fledged constitutional republic with separation of powers.) I'm still voting for five, but there are merits for seven and three too. Just want to counter the argument by wall-of-text here.
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Post by Vizindolf on August 17th 2013, 8:18 pm

I will vote for five. I feel that it may be difficult to find seven active people who are also interested in holding a government position. If our population increases again, we can always go to seven.
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Post by Abacathea on August 18th 2013, 11:06 am

I vote four. Seven is far too many to expect activity from.
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Post by Gatito on August 18th 2013, 11:10 am

Abacathea wrote:I vote four. Seven is far too many to expect activity from.
Are you sure an even number will be good? That would make it easy for a tie when they are voting.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 11:14 am

Sorry that I couldn't check things last night, everyone.

Our vote score:
7 executives--2
5 executives--3
4 executives--1
3 executives--1

As a result of this vote, we will plan on using five executives. Changes will be made later if we decide on another number.
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Post by Gatito on August 18th 2013, 11:15 am

Five, eh? That seems like a lot of people. I think that we will need to subtract the number of people from other positions, so that the number of government officials will be in control.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 11:20 am

All right, so now we have decided on the following:

There will be five executives (as of now, anyway).

The executives can make proposals among themselves and vote to pass them.

Now we need to move on to other subjects on the executives. One issue would be the other duties of the executives.

I suggest the executives should first acquire the responsibility of ordering intelligence missions. They should also vote on any regional legislative proposals, should we decide to form another one. For example, the legislature would pass a proposal, and for it to become effective the executives would vote for a simple majority to finalize it.

Please add on to this if you would like, and feel free to point out flaws in any of the ideas.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 11:23 am

@Gatito--Five is certainly more than what we had before--however, the number does make a good balance between representation and direct authority. We will briefly return to the number and the other subjects once we have a general outline of the executives, before we move on to the next position.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by Gatito on August 18th 2013, 11:26 am

I am fine with the executives voting on stuff, but can't the people make proposals? How about as one of their duties, they must listen to complaints sent out by the people, and then act on them. That way, the people will indirectly be making the proposals, not the executives.
For example, if Bobby Joe doesn't like the number of beheading events in the regional government, then he would tell his executive person to make a proposal to stop it.
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 11:30 am

@Gatito: Yes, the people can make proposals. It is very important that referenda are kept. The executives can make proposals within themselves just to make things go faster and so that more ideas might go through the government. Any resident nation is allowed to make a proposal, and referenda votes (I believe) should have authority over any governmental decision.

A resident would not have to send a proposal to the Consuls to vote on it. The resident himself would write the proposal and post it, and everyone in the region would vote on it.
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Post by Vizindolf on August 18th 2013, 12:44 pm

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A resident would not have to send a proposal to the Consuls to vote on it. The resident himself would write the proposal and post it, and everyone in the region would vote on it.
@GROSS: I disagree with you on this. While I believe that all nations should be able to create proposals, your quote above suggests that we will be using direct democracy for every proposal. It is very time consuming and difficult to have a bunch of proposals for everyone in the region to vote on all of the time. Here is my idea: Bobby Joe first would send his proposal to the Consuls. They do not like it and vote it down. However, Bobby's proposal is pretty popular amongst his region mates, so he is able to garner 10% of the regional population to support him and take his proposal to the Justices. They too dislike his proposal. But this time, Bobby is able to get 20% of the region to support his idea, and then he is able to create a referendum vote.

In my mind, this system will keep most of the proposals off of the RMB, but at the same time creates the ability to have referendum in case the Consuls and Justices get power hungry.
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Post by Guest on August 18th 2013, 3:24 pm

I agree with Vizindolf on this one. In our case, a direct democracy is just not going to work when it comes to proposals. But if it could get passed through the consuls, then it could be taken to the people. Otherwise we'd have proposals flying from every direction, some may be stupid, but would still have to be voted on by everyone. That's not gonna work.

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Post by Gatito on August 18th 2013, 3:27 pm

It doesn't have to be voted on by the people, but I still think the people should be able to send proposals.
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Post by Guest on August 18th 2013, 3:37 pm

Yes, Gatito, so do I. I think we are all in agreement that they should.

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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 5:27 pm

@Vizindolf: No, that is not what I meant.

I was trying to emphasize the phrase "among themselves" when talking about the executives. I will re-state my idea in more detail:

One of the executives comes up with an idea, right? He proposes this to the other executives. The executives ALONE vote on it to pass.

What I was saying about referenda was that if a RESIDENT proposed something, THEN it would be voted on with a referendum. Given the frequency of resident proposals, it wouldn't be hard to handle.

Now does everyone understand what I mean?
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Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 5:40 pm

Regarding your idea on proposal systems, Vizindolf, I don't think residents should have to send proposals to the Consuls.

This is because that gives the executives limited power over the outcome of referenda, and it also makes the referenda even MORE time-consuming, because Bobby-Joe has to send it to the Consuls, then see if he has 10% of the region's support, THEN send it to the Justices, THEN see if he has 20% of the region's support, and THEN vote on it.

That, in my view, is a wall of red tape.

I think the executives should have full authority to make proposals and vote on them amongst themselves--as I described earlier--but resident nations should be able to propose something without sending the idea through two government bodies first. As it has been, proposals made BY RESIDENTS should simply be posted, and the chairman can organize the referendum. That way, the authority of referenda doesn't have to weave through bureaucracy; it can stand alone.
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Post by Vizindolf on August 18th 2013, 10:12 pm

@GROSS,

I would argue that most proposals would be decided at the Consul level, rendering the other levels unnecessary. If this is the case, it would be much quicker than having a referendum vote on each and every proposal that the people create. Even if it does go to the Justices, I believe that it still would be quicker than a region wide vote. Obviously, this is all based on assumptions, but I do believe that it would work better than clogging the RMB with constant proposals.

@Gatito: The right for every nation in the IWU to create proposals has always been of cardinal importance. It will never be taken away.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 10:58 pm

@Vizindolf: It is obviously much faster for the Consuls to do proposals than referenda; however, I think it would be a better balance of power if the referenda were separate from the executives. That way, everyone gets a share of directly making the laws: the Consuls can make their own more quickly, the regional congress could make them if we decide to form one, and the residents can make them if necessary for a final authority. Like I said before, resident proposals aren't very frequent--in eleven months, only four resident proposals have ever been made, three of them by me. That in itself would make resident proposals more of a separated backup than a time-consuming job, and that means the RMB would only be taken maybe once every couple months for a proposal.

Since there is a debate on this, however, we need to decide which idea is more popular among us, like the rest of the ideas. We will vote on the present two ideas, and if anyone else proposes an alternative, that will be accepted as a vote as well:

Vizindolf's idea:
Resident proposals are to be sent to the Consuls, who will decide to pass or strike down the proposal. If it is struck down, the author of the proposal may take it to the Justices if he or she gains support of 10% of the region; the Justices will also vote to pass or strike it down. If it is struck down by the Justices, the author can attempt to get 20% of the region's support, in which case a referendum would be held.

My (GROSS Independency's) idea:
Resident proposals are not required to be sent through the executives or Justices. If a resident comes up with an idea, they can write a proposal and post it to the message board, and a referendum would be held.

Take note that both of these ideas allow Consuls the ability to form and vote on proposals amongst themselves; this vote is only to determine the whereabouts of proposals authored by residents. Simply post which idea you favor, and if you have your own idea, post it and it will become part of the ballot. I will check the progress of the vote tomorrow afternoon to see if everyone has picked something.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by GROSS Independency on August 18th 2013, 11:00 pm

I will vote for the idea I have proposed, and I assume Vizindolf will vote for his as well. This means the current score is 1 to 1.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by Guest on August 18th 2013, 11:07 pm

I gotta go with Vizindolf's.

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Post by Qora on August 18th 2013, 11:19 pm

I would choose Vizindolf's plan as well.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by Bolidor on August 18th 2013, 11:19 pm

This idea might seem a little bananas, but how about this:

Any member of the IWU may (a) contact and consult with any consul for the purpose of having a proposal introduced and voted upon by the council of consuls through the office of said consul, or (b) contact and consult with any member of the legislative branch for the purpose of having a proposal introduced and voted upon by the legislative branch in accordance with their procedures through the office of said legislative branch member, or (c) contact and consult any other member state of the IWU for the purpose of introducing a proposal by referendum to all members of the IWU, at the discretion of said member.

Any legislative member may consult with any member of the IWU and introduce a proposal for a vote in the legislative branch in accordance with legislative branch procedures through the office of said legislative member.

Any consul may consult with any member of the IWU and introduce a proposal for a vote in the council of consuls through the office of said consul.

Different paths with all paths open, some through representatives, and at least one path by direct referendum. Choices, choices...
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by Akhalan on August 18th 2013, 11:29 pm

I'm brand new here, but after reading over this thread I personally think Vizindolf's plan is the better of the two, simply because GROSS's plan (while in theory good, and commendable for its direct inclusion of all parties in the decision process) would present logistical issues simply *because* it would include so many people in the decision process. Direct democracy is very messy like that, and it has a tendency to turn into a disaster when you try to organize it.
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Post by Guest on August 18th 2013, 11:34 pm

Or here's another idea; a simpler version of Vizindolf's idea. I say any nation that proposes something takes it to the consuls. First it has to pass through them, that way no poorly written or stupid ones get through. If it passes, then it is taken to the people, maybe via mass telegram if Kialga agrees to do so, and then if the majority who vote vote FOR, it passes. If they vote AGAINST, it will go to the Justices for them to decide its fate.

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Post by Kialga on August 18th 2013, 11:36 pm

I have to go with GROSS' as it seems, just by reading Vizindolf's, that it removes the core value of Democracy from the IWU.

I like Rachara's idea out of them all, but it still doesn't seem to have everything we all could agree on.
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Re: Head Executive(s)

Post by GROSS Independency on August 19th 2013, 12:04 am

I would like to somewhat adapt my idea to Rachara's. Instead of giving the Consuls authority over their own proposals AND the resident proposals, a resident proposal should be sent to the official chairman for review. That would eliminate poor planning from the proposals.

The Consuls already have the ability to make their own proposals and vote on them without the people. So, in logic, why should they be given authority over the people's proposal's as well?

Furthermore, if we have to calculate percentages of the region's population, we will have to take over a week to finish everything. A normal referendum vote takes two days. however, if we have to run it through the government and calculate percentages, that's going to be at least a day for the Consul review, then another day for finding the 10%, then ANOTHER day for Justice review, another day for the 20%, and then another two days for the referendum, which could simply have begun after review by the chairman in the first place. That means an ordinary referendum would be three times as efficient as would running the idea through the government. It also preserves democracy, and prevents abusive authority of the Consuls. Finally, it gives a useful duty to the chairman, who would, in other circumstances, do nothing but wait for elections.
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